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    New G&G Tool

    Many of you know that today the most common tool for reservoir engineer is a Petrel.
    It has a lot of prons but one big cons- it is very expensive.
    What if someone will spend its time and resources to create the tool that will cover not all but main or vital functions of petrel. And will make this tool available for people for free.
    If that will happen what you guys will contribute for this project in terms of your time and knowledge.
    How many of you will help to test and tune functionalists of this tool?
    So will be glad to hear your ideas


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  3. Petrel is a dedicated G & G tool, not a reservoir engineering tool...it just has Petrel-RE which is an Eclipse plug-in...

    Other tools like Prisms' geographic and openworks...Jewel suite...are equally good tools

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    Re: New G&G Tool

    I would like to disagree with you Reservoir engineering is not something about production or placing the wells or running the cases, it is about knowledge and understanding physics of your reservoir.
    Pass this thread my friend since you are on wrong direction.

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  7. I don't mean to drag an argument, but u mistake reservoir engineering for reservoir geoscience and reservoir geomechanics...if Petrel is a reservoir engineering tool what would you in effect call PvtSIM, sapphire, matbal...

    I should assume you are a seasoned reservoir engineering, and I can understand what you mean. But your statement doesn't follow in that premise.

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    Re: New G&G Tool

    I'd say that Petrel is the defacto standard in static modeling right now, as Eclipse is the defacto standard for dynamic simulation. The RE functionality of Petrel is (IMHO) of some use as an adjunct to the reservoir simulation workflow, but poorly suited to being the center of the reservoir simulation workflow. I've been using Petrel RE for 7+ years now, and seen it come along in strides, but the more I use it (and the more complete it gets) strangely the less inclined I am to want to use it.

    For creating your initial grids, creating custom FIPNUM etc arrays, generating complex well trajectory WELSPECS and COMPADAT's, adhoc simulation faults etc it works well and I find it useful. I generally though grab the data I need, and then work in textpad and third party post processor with Eclipse. Maybe I'm just showing my age, but at least I've been using Petrel RE for quite a few years so have some perspective on this. Most people who try to convince me I'm wrong have not tried for any significant period of time (ie 5 years +) to work without Petrel RE so really don't have the perspective to compare properly.

    Anyway, not interested in getting into a heated debate on this - just wanted to express an opinion.

    As to the topic at hand. Temr, are you talking about creating a G&G package, or a Reservoir Engineering package? The title says the former and the text says the latter..... could you provide some ideas of what you had in mind (sample workflows).

    Like Bond, I understand you point on Petrel being useful for RE's, but while a good engineer certainly has to understand the geology and assumptions in the static model, they should not be expected to create the static model (any more than I'd trust a simulation model created by a geologist)

    As someone who has had some exposure to software development - things always end up being far far more complex than you thought they were to begin with!
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    Re: New G&G Tool

    Just a quick sanity check though - most decent universities have access to commercial software, as do most oil & gas companies. As far as I can make out, the main target for such a custom package would be consultants who cant pass on costs to their clients? Am I wrong? As cool as the project sounds, I'd be unlikely to use it when I have Petrel & Eclipse easily to hand.... I say this not be sound mean, rather once you better understand the target 'market' likely to want to use it, then you will be better paced to decide what sort of workflows it should support.

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    I am very much agree with Temr. To become good simulation engineer you have to know Petrel G&G in details otherwise you are unable to use Petrel RE properly. There are many things in Petrel RE where it is linked with Petrel G&G. During upscaling of the model if you have no idea of propery modeling, your upscaled model will give different picture. With my little experience I can say that Petrel/Petrel RE is the ultimate tool for present day reservoir modeling.
    Thanks

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    I am very much agree with Temr. To become good simulation engineer you have to know Petrel G&G in details otherwise you are unable to use Petrel RE properly. There are many things in Petrel RE where it is linked with Petrel G&G. During upscaling of the model if you have no idea of propery modeling, your upscaled model will give different picture. With my little experience I can say that Petrel/Petrel RE is the ultimate tool for present day reservoir modeling.
    Thanks

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    What temr is asking is, if it is possible to develop an open source reservoir simulation tool.
    In my opinion a very difficult task if not impossible and it doesn’t matter which route you go static or dynamic. Here is why: modeling the reservoir and PVT, as well as solving fluid flow equations is difficult and requires thousands line of code. It requires excellent knowledge of reservoir, PVT, geology and programming language. The number of reservoir engineers capable of doing that is very little and they are mostly specialized in one or another field, therefore such a project has to be a join effort of many specialists.
    How big the chances are that ---h like this will come true?
    Now let assume that such a program was build and offered for free to the users. Now, you have to convince them about the produced results not to mention the user friendly interface, support etc etc... very difficult task in my opinion.

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    Re: New G&G Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by vinomarky View Post
    I'd say that Petrel is the defacto standard in static modeling right now, as Eclipse is the defacto standard for dynamic simulation. The RE functionality of Petrel is (IMHO) of some use as an adjunct to the reservoir simulation workflow, but poorly suited to being the center of the reservoir simulation workflow. I've been using Petrel RE for 7+ years now, and seen it come along in strides, but the more I use it (and the more complete it gets) strangely the less inclined I am to want to use it.

    For creating your initial grids, creating custom FIPNUM etc arrays, generating complex well trajectory WELSPECS and COMPADAT's, adhoc simulation faults etc it works well and I find it useful. I generally though grab the data I need, and then work in textpad and third party post processor with Eclipse. Maybe I'm just showing my age, but at least I've been using Petrel RE for quite a few years so have some perspective on this. Most people who try to convince me I'm wrong have not tried for any significant period of time (ie 5 years +) to work without Petrel RE so really don't have the perspective to compare properly.

    Anyway, not interested in getting into a heated debate on this - just wanted to express an opinion.

    As to the topic at hand. Temr, are you talking about creating a G&G package, or a Reservoir Engineering package? The title says the former and the text says the latter..... could you provide some ideas of what you had in mind (sample workflows).

    Like Bond, I understand you point on Petrel being useful for RE's, but while a good engineer certainly has to understand the geology and assumptions in the static model, they should not be expected to create the static model (any more than I'd trust a simulation model created by a geologist)

    As someone who has had some exposure to software development - things always end up being far far more complex than you thought they were to begin with!
    Vinomarky, for me G@G and Reservoir engineering is one synergy process. Since i am gathering all data from all departments in order to create geo model and then coarse geo model with fluid properties.
    My plan is following, the suite is being coded now ( data base , functionalists, visualization) one the the sage will complete i will inform you and will wait for your feedback.
    So far some of functionalists of this Suite will be available as a petrel plagins for you to test and rate it.
    Now we almost prepare plagin for fault modeling that will 100 % be a part of new tool.
    All plagins will be distributed for free. Current versions for petrel 2012 and 2013
    So what i need from you is your input ideas what we as developers can bring on top of new suite

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    Re: New G&G Tool

    As for market , this tool will be available as free version and commercial version. I will post functionalists of each version later on . The main distinguished is commercial version will use open inventor library for visualization like petrel does. I will agree with you that you will not use something when you have Petrel me also, but if you cant effort license costing 300 K, if not you will need a tool , and that where we will come). Any way the project have been started. I need some help from you guys. As i posted earlier we will post information on product here then on dedicated site ( which now bieeng constructed) to give you a favor of future project we will produce petrel plagins with Aurora functions.

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