New G&G Tool

[temr]

What temr is asking is, if it is possible to develop an open source reservoir simulation tool.
In my opinion a very difficult task if not impossible and it doesn’t matter which route you go static or dynamic. Here is why: modeling the reservoir and PVT, as well as solving fluid flow equations is difficult and requires thousands line of code. It requires excellent knowledge of reservoir, PVT, geology and programming language. The number of reservoir engineers capable of doing that is very little and they are mostly specialized in one or another field, therefore such a project has to be a join effort of many specialists.
How big the chances are that ---h like this will come true?
Now let assume that such a program was build and offered for free to the users. Now, you have to convince them about the produced results not to mention the user friendly interface, support etc etc... very difficult task in my opinion.

I will agree with you Yengineer, but currently on project 5 full time expert involved.
First version will let you create data base , make 3d gridding, property modeling, sw modelling, and upscaling. Also the will be support of eclipse binary files so you can import eclipse deck runs for visualization and analysis.
I am not saying that this will be easy i am sayng that this will be very interesting

[reservoirengineer]

I think it depends on the workflow. If it is MNCs with a troop of REs and Geologists/ Geophysicist, Pe--l would be a key. Ex-big blue people seems to be busy in the market, pushing Petrel sales.

One the other hand, ------- is still popular (atleast before it was tookover by IHS) among some small companies in the North Sea sector as well as other markets. DUG is also well known tool.

I had a privilege to work with some of the experienced REs. Some have excellent spreadsheets fit for their work. Some consultants simply didn't like/ want to use Eclipse or no-sense to use use Petrel simply because it was so expensive. Another reason is licensing strategy, it is a pain to share licenses. Technoguide did the brilliant job for creating Petrel but Schlumberger simply killed the product by integration and making profit, Microsoft.

Many of you know that today the most common tool for reservoir engineer is a Petrel.
It has a lot of prons but one big cons- it is very expensive.
What if someone will spend its time and resources to create the tool that will cover not all but main or vital functions of petrel. And will make this tool available for people for free.
If that will happen what you guys will contribute for this project in terms of your time and knowledge.
How many of you will help to test and tune functionalists of this tool?
So will be glad to hear your ideas

[temr]

I think it depends on the workflow. If it is MNCs with a troop of REs and Geologists/ Geophysicist, Pe--l would be a key. Ex-big blue people seems to be busy in the market, pushing Petrel sales.

One the other hand, ------- is still popular (atleast before it was tookover by IHS) among some small companies in the North Sea sector as well as other markets. DUG is also well known tool.

I had a privilege to work with some of the experienced REs. Some have excellent spreadsheets fit for their work. Some consultants simply didn't like/ want to use Eclipse or no-sense to use use Petrel simply because it was so expensive. Another reason is licensing strategy, it is a pain to share licenses. Technoguide did the brilliant job for creating Petrel but Schlumberger simply killed the product by integration and making profit, Microsoft.

In 2005 i meet with one of the founders of technoguide he said that the main reason they quite Roxar is the management did not want to make changes in RMS. i think the same is now happening with Petrel.....
Any way thanks you guys for you input. So far i think that having all skepticism in your mind still there is a seed that may grow, and i think the reason for that is the uniqueness of petrel with no other alternative...
I will keep you posted for updates on project.

[MIROINE]

I think what temr pointed out is quite interesting, I have been using petrel Re for the last 10 years and It s quit hard to work without it, however some small soft wares are really useful since they are cheap and too fast, I would highlight for example ..S3graph , it s fast, easy to work with and can do all the pre and post processing, there are still some issues with petrel that the user can do easily with another package (ex.. Rms) one example was what I experienced last week where I tried to update locally a structural model by just shifting 20m higher than it was from a designed ploygone... It was quit a lot of hassle to perform that, I also like the roxar rms in it s way on how you load data between different project... Petrel re has also some issues on simple reservoir engineering modeling ( advanced well model (ICD, ICV) is one of them, implementing a J function as formulas in intialization, modification of the CF for well connectivity if you apply a multiplier on permeability, the way how petrel export the VFP, and the way how petrel treat the WRFTPLT keyword..... In addition to the fact that the grids are left handed) I think one big scoop that petrel is lacking is the optimization on objective function, I have seen some plugins for history matching based on 4D seismic .... But I guess it still not mature and I think it s one of the reason why slb bought mepo
With regards to temr request, I think I would be really happy with a software like S3graph ..which is quite fast to visualize data, but I would rather need a simple workflow to modify a structural model, in addition to some thinking on petrophysical modelling and quick up scaling ... So the reservoir engineer can easily perform a modifications on his model based on dynamic data without going back to the geo model
Keep us on the loop
Gd luck

[temr]

Miroine, thanks for you input. One of the advantages Aurora will have is that it will have a bridge between geomodel and simulation. What today is sold separately as plugins in petrel , already have been put to be implement (sw initialization and pvt module) in Aurora as standard set . I will defiantly put some information on data base and functionalists of Aurora later on. Again inputs from all you are very needed.

[dipak_m]

I think Petrel plug-in should be merged in Petrel package and to be sold as a single package by SLB. Every company it is not possible to purchase plug-in separately. Basically plug-in is the new updatation/addition of Petrel and should be merged in Petrel package.

[temr]

Dipak_m, the problem is that petrel now is not flexible at all due to bureaucracy of SLB, and the only way to add some function is Ocean SDK that sold separetely. I bought one licence for 50 k , so i need my money back. This is the loop. Nevertheless i will issue plagins for free for the users of this forum to give the flavor of future Aurora functionality
For the moment two plaings are almost ready
1 is the fault modeling plagin ( this plagin can create faults using one or 3 polyline on fly)
2 reservoir summation plagin ( the plagin will make stat on pay intervals at the well )
On the roadmap in 2-3 month
3 Mesh Plaging ( making the 3d grid , horizons, zones, layering from scratch )
4 Petrophysical modeling ( plagin that will have functionality of data analysis(distribution, ranging) , petrophysical and facial modeling )
5 Upscaling plagin (this plagin will use unique algo for structure and property upscaling with ability of exporting all includes in auto mode)
6 Schedule plagin (the plagin that will help to create schedule section for eclipse)
this is only beginning

Again all this plagins wil have the same logic of Aurora modules

[petronpetro]

its great effort.........!
please try to incorporate every excellent and essential features from all available G&G software and make more user friendly and reliable. which will full fill the need of user .

Thanks

[temr]

it is. Thats why i need the input from you

[temr]

So first plagin for petrel 2012 is on it s way this is the link to give you a favor

[link Point to another website Only the registered members can access] we adding some functionalities to it
once it will be ready we will post it
the registration for users of this forum will be free

[temr]

So first plagin for petrel 2012 is on it s way this is the link to give you a favor

[link Point to another website Only the registered members can access] we adding some functionalities to it
once it will be ready we will post it
the registration for users of this forum will be free

[coby]

I have my own consulting company for over 20 years. I wrote all the software I used for my jobs. However, if the reports were intended for the public, I always insisted my client to use "best of class" commercial package. By using commercial package, I removed the bias issue because my client's partners or public can verify my report if they desired. My points are verification and repeat-ability offset the cost of commercial packages.