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  1. The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Dear All!
    I have done lots of blast study on building in different projects, but yet, I am not sure about the best approach or methodology.
    Frankly I confused today! after a deep review of Exxon Mobil & Total approach.
    We have three different method to blast study as API 752 describes:
    1- Using conventional tables
    2- Consequence Analysis
    3- Risk based
    I am very happy with consequence analysis, because it is more realistic and provides direct result for Civil department for blast proofing.
    I ask you some question to confer about the issue and having your valuable experiences. My questions are simplified here:
    1- Which model TNO or BKS is preferred? Why?
    2- What is your software? PHAST, FLACS, Shell Sheferd? or... which one is better and why?
    3- If your model is TNO, what is strength factor?
    4- What is your approach to select congested zone? All unit area? or just below piperack?


    it is important to remember that TOTAL has some clues for building study, but no exact approach. First considering whole Fire Zone (Unit) as congested zone full of gas at stochiometry and then assuming strength factor of TNO method is 5.6 (equivalent to an explosion with 350 mbar at the edge of unit)

    Exxon Mobil has sophisticated approach as described here:

    Design Basis Vapor Cloud Scenario No. 1 (VCE #1)
    Following a leak or uncontrolled release from process equipment, a vapor cloud develops resulting in a congested/confined
    area of a process unit or operating area becoming enveloped in a flammable gas cloud. The volume of the flammable cloud is
    assumed to be 140,000 ft3 (4000 m3) containing LPG type material in stoichiometric proportions. This is equivalent to a 165 ft
    (50 m) diameter cloud 6 ft (2 m) high, or an overhead pipe rack, 300 ft (90 m) long, 25 ft (7.5 m) wide, filled with gas to a depth
    of 20 ft (6 m). It is judged that this is close to the upper volume limit of the most highly congested/confined part of a typical
    process unit or operating area.

    Design Basis Vapor Cloud Scenario No. 2 (VCE #2)
    The second scenario, VCE #2, involves a large vapor cloud engulfing an entire process unit area. Based upon previous
    analyses of past VCE's, documented in EE.30E.91, it is assumed that the flammable portion of the cloud, occupying areas filled
    with process equipment obstacles does not exceed a volume of 1,000,000 ft3 (30,000 m3) and contains LPG type material in
    stoichiometric proportions. For a typically sized ExxonMobil process unit [70,000 - 100,000 ft2 (6,500 - 9,300 m2) plot area],
    this is equivalent to the flammable cloud covering the whole block to a depth of 10 - 15 ft (3 - 5 m).
    Design Basis Vapor Cloud Scenario No. 3 or “Maximum Credible Vapor Cloud Explosion" (VCE #3)

    The third scenario, referred to as the “Maximum Credible Vapor Cloud Explosion" (VCE #3), is a large flammable cloud
    engulfing a process unit area, which includes a central core of highly congested/confined equipment. Using the Multi-Energy
    method to model this vapor cloud, it is assumed that two explosions will occur - one involving that part of the cloud occupying
    the “highly congested/confined" area and the other involving the “partially congested/confined" area. Those parts of the cloud
    which fall outside the “partially congested/confined" area, e.g., outside the plant battery limits, and which do not engulf any
    process equipment or obstacles, are assumed to have a negligible contribution to the overall explosion.

    HAMID

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    Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    I'm not experienced in this topic the way you are, but seems you are really confused as you said. You said: "We have three different method to blast study as API 752 describes:", but ABS Consulting said: "Spacing tables are not appropriate for blast or toxic hazards." Read in:

    [link Point to another website Only the registered members can access]


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  5. Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Oh thanks for confirming my confusion! I think I am going on to collapse!
    You are right, I mean building arrangement has three method ...
    However, my friend, do not forget that a COMPANY GUIDELINE (same as your link) is not Bible or Quran to ensure you 100%!
    bests

  6. Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Oh thanks for confirming my confusion! I think I am going on to collapse!
    You are right, I mean building arrangement has three method ...
    However, my friend, do not forget that a COMPANY GUIDELINE (same as your link) is not Bible or Quran to ensure you 100%!
    bests

  7. Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Hamid:

    Can you please share those Exxon Mobile and Total standards.

    Thanks in Advance.

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  9. Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Hamid:

    Can you please share those Exxon Mobile and Total standards.

    Thanks in Advance.

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    Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Next papers should be interesting for this topic:

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    Last edited by selmagis; 01-24-2014 at 07:16 PM.

  11. Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by nkr3114568 View Post
    Hamid:

    Can you please share those Exxon Mobile and Total standards.

    Thanks in Advance.
    definitely
    Email?

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    Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    I am working on an Onshore Receiving facilities for Building Risk Assessment as well.
    But i have no idea where to start.

    Some say NFPA 101 for general building (warehouse, admin building i.e non-process area)
    How about Process area? Is CCPS-Guidelines-for-Evaluating-Process-Plant-Buildings-for-External-Explosion-and-Fires is a good staring point? Can anyone share the pdf file?

    hamidkeng,

    Can you share Exxonmobil and Total standards as well? my email is shahrulnazmi@gmail.com

    Thanks in advanced

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    Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    I am working on an Onshore Receiving facilities for Building Risk Assessment as well.
    But i have no idea where to start.

    Some say NFPA 101 for general building (warehouse, admin building i.e non-process area)
    How about Process area? Is CCPS-Guidelines-for-Evaluating-Process-Plant-Buildings-for-External-Explosion-and-Fires is a good staring point? Can anyone share the pdf file?

    hamidkeng,

    Can you share Exxonmobil and Total standards as well? my email is shahrulnazmi@gmail.com

    Thanks in advanced

  14. Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by tyro982 View Post
    I am working on an Onshore Receiving facilities for Building Risk Assessment as well.
    But i have no idea where to start.

    Some say NFPA 101 for general building (warehouse, admin building i.e non-process area)
    How about Process area? Is CCPS-Guidelines-for-Evaluating-Process-Plant-Buildings-for-External-Explosion-and-Fires is a good staring point? Can anyone share the pdf file?

    hamidkeng,

    Can you share Exxonmobil and Total standards as well? my email is shahrulnazmi@gmail.com

    Thanks in advanced
    CCPS-Guidelines-for-Evaluating-Process-Plant-Buildings-for-External-Explosion-and-Fires is Just as its name, GUIDELINE!
    We need a specific procedure for blast study same as EXXON-Mobil & Total approach, however I hame above questions about them.

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  16. Re: The best approach to Buidling blast study in Onshore facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by tyro982 View Post
    I am working on an Onshore Receiving facilities for Building Risk Assessment as well.
    But i have no idea where to start.

    Some say NFPA 101 for general building (warehouse, admin building i.e non-process area)
    How about Process area? Is CCPS-Guidelines-for-Evaluating-Process-Plant-Buildings-for-External-Explosion-and-Fires is a good staring point? Can anyone share the pdf file?

    hamidkeng,

    Can you share Exxonmobil and Total standards as well? my email is shahrulnazmi@gmail.com

    Thanks in advanced
    CCPS-Guidelines-for-Evaluating-Process-Plant-Buildings-for-External-Explosion-and-Fires is Just as its name, GUIDELINE!
    We need a specific procedure for blast study same as EXXON-Mobil & Total approach, however I hame above questions about them.

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