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  1. how to calculate derivative of WGR as shown in Chan's Water control diagnostic plots.

    hi all,
    can anyone tell me how to prepare WGR derivative plot without using a software.
    i have seen chans log log plot in which derivative of WGR is indicates cause of water cut.(coning ,channeling etc).

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    Malvika


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    Derivative is just the slope - calculating the slope between some points is trivial with Excel

    The key with these sorts of plots though is that the base data is normally so noisy that the derivative is almost meaningless - I was on an injection well profile modification job with KS Chan once in the early 90's when he was just formulating this work, in the years since I think he has perhaps lost a bit of the optimism about applicability - mainly due to the data noise seen in most data sets. Try sensitizing on the aperture of data (ie number of data points to calculate slope over) used to calculate the slope over in order to smooth out much of the noise while leaving the underlying signature unaffected.

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    Very simple. I did this in excel 10 years ago. Just take the standard equation for the derivative and set the cycle to a suitable limit so that you are masking the noise without masking the response. Make sure you've got all the negative values blocked, and plot up on a chart. I must say, the Chan plots seemed at the time like a very, very powerful diagnostic tool, but surprisingly, very little work has been done since. I ran some plots on my wells and did get interesting results. The problem for me was that I was unable to quantify. Perhaps if a bright one among us (not me!!) could push these into the analytical realm, oh then we'd have a whole new section in performance analysis going.

    PS. Looked for the excel sheets...couldn't find them. Sorry.

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    No idea. Like I said, it was a long time ago, and I didn't spent much time on this. It was interesting though........

  10. Re: how to calculate derivative of WGR as shown in Chan's Water control diagnostic pl

    Hola alguien me puede decir si la derivada se tiene que realizar con respecto a cada pozo y si es aplicable la misma derivada para todos los pozos.

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      Re: how to calculate derivative of WGR as shown in Chan's Water control diagnostic pl

      Quote Originally Posted by ana olan View Post
      Hola alguien me puede decir si la derivada se tiene que realizar con respecto a cada pozo y si es aplicable la misma derivada para todos los pozos.
      Es con respecto a cada pozo, con la finalidad de indagar de de donde puede provenir el incremento de agua, lo puedes realizar en excel, o en OFM, asi mismo puedes utilizar el metodo de ramos. Si deseas la formula en OFM me hace saber para enviartelo

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      Quote Originally Posted by edisonc View Post
      Es con respecto a cada pozo, con la finalidad de indagar de de donde puede provenir el incremento de agua, lo puedes realizar en excel, o en OFM, asi mismo puedes utilizar el metodo de ramos. Si deseas la formula en OFM me hace saber para enviartelo
      Hola Buen d*a, si me interesa la formula en OFM, tambin me gustar*a saber sobre el mtodo de Ramos si tuviera alguna información y fuera tan amable de compart*rmela.

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        Re: how to calculate derivative of WGR as shown in Chan's Water control diagnostic pl

        Quote Originally Posted by ana olan View Post
        Hola Buen d*a, si me interesa la formula en OFM, tambin me gustar*a saber sobre el mtodo de Ramos si tuviera alguna información y fuera tan amable de compart*rmela.
        dejame algun contacto para escribirte

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        Quote Originally Posted by edisonc View Post
        dejame algun contacto para escribirte
        Si le dejo mi correo ana_olan9302@hotmail.com

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