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    Question Modeling explosion in PHAST 6.54

    Hi
    I would modeling explosion in PHAST
    How i can calculate "confined volume"?
    thanks

  2. Quote Originally Posted by nmerzak View Post
    Hi
    I would modeling explosion in PHAST
    How i can calculate "confined volume"?
    thanks
    first you should identify the areas in your plant where confinement may occur e.g. by the presence of parallel planes, barriers, physical obstructions to ventilation. These may be the air coolers, heavy loaded piperacks, elevated platforms, etc...

    Then, a guidance of the fraction of flammable cloud to be considered as "confined" to give explosion can be found in the CPR 14E "methods for calculation of physical effects" (yellow book)

    There are link somewhere in this forum where you can take this book.

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    deep thanks safetyuser
    the broblem is:
    there is a leak in compressor station
    if i take total volume "the building volume of the compresssor station"
    how i can calculate
    1/ confined volume
    2/flammable mass in the cloud

  5. Quote Originally Posted by nmerzak View Post
    "the building volume of the compresssor station"
    how i can calculate
    1/ confined volume
    2/flammable mass in the cloud
    Well, I don't know exactly your problem anyway from your few words I can suppose:
    1- confinement is 100% if your compressor is totally enclosed in a building/box-shaped shelter and similar
    2- the flammable volume in the cloud may be estimated in the worst case as the Upper Flammable Limit (UFL) of the congested gas, times the total confined volume. Use the gas density to turn into mass.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by safetyuser View Post
    2- the flammable volume in the cloud may be estimated in the worst case as the Upper Flammable Limit (UFL) of the congested gas, times the total confined volume. Use the gas density to turn into mass.
    It would be more correctly to use the difference between UFL and LFL.

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  8. Re: Modeling explosion in PHAST 6.54

    Quote Originally Posted by Dushmen View Post
    It would be more correctly to use the difference between UFL and LFL.
    Why difference? Did you mean average?

  9. Re: Modeling explosion in PHAST 6.54

    Quote Originally Posted by nmerzak View Post
    deep thanks safetyuser
    the broblem is:
    there is a leak in compressor station
    if i take total volume "the building volume of the compresssor station"
    how i can calculate
    1/ confined volume
    2/flammable mass in the cloud
    ppppp

  10. #8
    thanks for all
    for worst case we can use :
    confined volume =9,5 % total volume confinned
    total volume confinned=total volume of building-volume obsructin if exist.
    "9,5% total volume confinned" for a stoichiometric combustion.

  11. Check Chapter 17 of LOSS PREVENTION IN PROCESS INDUSTRIES - LEE VOLUME 2, It may help you. Book is availabe in the forum.

  12. Explosion Modelling

    I understand from the discussion that you are trying to use the MultiEnergy model in Phast.

    PHAST needs 3 inputs for VCE, flammable mass, confined volume and blast strength.

    However in PHAST once you determine the confined volume, it considers that the entire confined volume is filled with stochiometric concentration and is available for explosion. Thus put flammable mass as say 1000kg. ( Otherwise based on the volume calculate the stochiometric flammable mass, but you will get the same results at the end , so as long as you are putting any value greater than stochiometric mass results are same).

    Identify the confined area within the plant, the congested volume is typically the volume of the congestion minus the volume of the equipment located within the congestion. e.g. if there is a structure supporting 2-3 process equipment, then confined volume is structure volume ( L*B*H) - VOlume of the process equiment. ( Explosion happens due to flame acceleration i.e. due to congestion, flammable gas cloud from any source can lead to flammable gas to reside within the congested area. Assuming entire congested volume as described is worse case but widely used in Industry )

    For the blast strength, use Kinsella method available in Yellow Book. DOnt use too much coservative values without any basis as the resultant peak overpressure will be much higer.

    If you need any further help, you can contact me on

    rajkumarlodha@hotmail.com

  13. Averaging-Time

    Please i need help

    i don't understand the concept related the Averaging-Time . Could someone provide me basic documentary tools.
    I tried some books (too specialisied) but i find it difficult to understand.
    tHANKS

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  15. Re: Averaging-Time

    The concept of averaging time is basivally related to the time considered for the scenario for consequence calculation. PHAST considers 18 secs for flammability and 600 seconds for toxic release. To understand the concept you may refer to technical document available in phast.

    You can also refer to BEVI manual and purple book by TNO.

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