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    Just use Zone alarm security. It will pop up a fire wall to stop anything getting out. Zone alarm is free. I use it to stop bloody adobe deactivating everything. God damn adobe is sneaky.
    lol... just use Windows Firewall if anything and add a blocking rule otherwise someone will come saying that the new firewall software sends some data too and you will never end "protecting" yourself.
    at least with Windows you know that they send for sure so you already hit the bottom.

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    the only certainty about "i think" is that it can be the preamble to "therefore i am"

    i don't know about the previous 12.x or 14.x (buggy/incomplete as you people named them i can't neither confirm nor deny this lol) "fixes" since i never tried them but one can easily check if "crazy" stuff is happening by means of a network sniffer (TcpLogView from NirSoft is simple and easy to use).


    and for what that matters no. it doesn't send any spying data (would be completely illegal to do so and we talk about major utilities and nuclear plants using this software... no sane person could think OTI would risk an exposure like this). w/o entering in too much details there is a special case in which it sends some data (they even called that function internally and visible CallHomeService... now do you think if they wanted to spy on their customers they would have used such a name for that entry? lol) but this is meant as a feature not as a spying tool (it's activated or disabled within the activation code). now... as you can assume there are various scenarios in which this can be skipped and left enabled by the one who makes the "fix" (and these days anyone seems to be able to c-rack/p-atch namely the "wannabe" category lol but the problem is that doing this blindly w/o really understanding can result in unpleasant outcomes if any at all). on a legit copy (and that tracking feature is not enabled unless in very rare cases when the customer asks for it) it sends no data.
    I only "think" this is because I remember reading cadguy post about this which is what I said. I do not use ETAP myself.

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    User82* if you go to any Asian software DVD store they all have ETAP 12.6 on full display and sell it for around US$2 each DVD.
    There must be zillions of ETAP 12.6 running out there now.
    I must visit Asia!

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    well... what do you "think" an unaware nuclear plant owner will do if found out OTI secretly "colects" among other things the projects they are working on?
    or more exactly how many times should OTI sell his business to cover the legal punitive damages?
    I don't know! Perhaps when install and press "Yes" to software licence term you agree for OTI to "colects" some anonymous data.

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    I must visit Asia!
    It used to be better. A lot of the shops are closing due to the internet and I assume due to the fact a lot of the software manufacturers are releasing updates less frequently; but most importantly because mobile smart phone shops are taking their place. (Mobile smart phone shops are everywhere now too ) DVD shops are better because they get the "original" verified copies from their network of rather than versions on the internet; which can have viruses or are unverified. ETAP used to be in more specialised shops but now ETAP 12.6 it's everywhere. That's odd since it's a specialised program. Shenzhen in China used to be the best place in the world for software but I haven't been to that particular city yet.



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    understanding the code what's happening "inside" the software requires high level skill in different language of programming* especially the language of the CPU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ionioni

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    well... what do you "think" an unaware nuclear plant owner will do if found out OTI secretly "colects" among other things the projects they are working on?
    or more exactly how many times should OTI sell his business to cover the legal punitive damages?
    Yeah!
    There is a movie called "BlackHat"

    [This link Point to another website Only registered and activated users can see links.] It's about terrorists ****ing into nuclear power plant PC's and turning off the cooling system causing a nuclear meltdown.
    It's possible ETAP gives them an exception (special build?!) due to security reasons.


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    To access the SCADA & Distributed Control System (DCS) network? Yikes. Let's hope they don't use Windows 10.

    They have air gap computers. Nothing is talking to them. Unless some one brings in a wireless modem; but they can detect that. As Bloomberg reported; The US Department of Homeland Security ran a test in 2011 to see how hard it was for ****ers to corrupt workers and gain access to computer systems. Not very hard it turned out. Homeland Security Staff secretly dropped computer discs and USB thumb drives in the parking lots of government buildings and private contractors. Of those who picked them up; 60 per cent plugged the devices into office computers; curious to see what they contained. If the drive or CD case had an official logo; 90 per cent were installed.

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    business-standard.com/article/technology/human-errors-fuel-****ing-as-test-shows-nothing-stops-idiocy-111062900050_1.html
    wired.com/2011/06/the-dropped-drive-****/
    securitydebrief.com/2011/06/29/cybersecurity-who-is-to-blame-users-or-designers/


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